Philly Book Club

Our Own Shadow World

So in surfing around typepad's website I stumbled on what is sure to evolve into a modern day Shadow World:

Philly Shadow World

Check it out, it's pretty freaking cool.

Food for Thought

For right now, to give you even more to think about...not that this book isn't thought provoking enough on its own...here are some discussion questions that I got off of readinggroupguides.com.  I haven't read them for fear that they may give something away.  I am 50 pages from the end of the book and can barely even do my job without thinking of how the damn thing is going to end.  I wouldn't want to spoil anything for myself, but for those of you that may not be into it as much or could deal with a bit of a spoiler, you may want to take a look!

1. "A lot of people, particularly women, still find the idea of their genetic duplicate to be a little unsettling. An old classmate of mine wrote an article in the New England Journal of Medicine last year claiming some relationship between this phenomenon and female self-image" [p. 7]. Do you agree that women are more disturbed by the idea of cloning than men are? If so, what reasons beyond self-image might account for this?

2. Davis spells out the strict guidelines governing human cloning for the Finns [pp. 6-9]. Do these regulations adequately cover all the ramifications of cloning a human life? Does Davis's approach or the reactions of Martha and Terry [p. 10] raise questions about the screening process and other aspects of the system?

3. Is Davis's overwhelming need "to look in the eyes of his daughter's murderer" [p. 62] the normal reaction of a grieving father? How realistic is his assumption that confronting the killer will bring an end to his suffering and restore his and Jackie's happiness?

4. The anti-cloning movement is presented from the point of view of Mickey the Gerund [pp. 46-50, for example]. How does this influence the reader's impression of the movement? To what extent does Guilfoile draw distinctions between Mickey's fanaticism and more sympathetic arguments opposing cloning? What parallels are there between Mickey's attitudes and tactics and those of current anti-abortion protesters?

5. How does the Finns' relationship with each other affect their attitudes about Justin? Is Terry's interest in tracing the DNA donor understandable, or are his motives suspect? Why is Martha so confident that Justin will "get more of her personality from us than he will from some mystery man" [p. 53]? What does her attitude reflect about her attachment to Justin? What does it reveal about her own needs as a mother? At what point in the novel do her feelings change and why?

6. Does your opinion of Davis change as the novel progresses? What particular incidents make him a sympathetic character? To what extent are his difficulties the result of selfishness or arrogance?

7. Is it ethical of Davis to ask Joan to keep his secret [pp. 71-72]? Does she acquiesce because she agrees with his argument? Are they primarily concerned with protecting Justin, or is it equally important to them to safeguard their reputations and their practices? When Davis later lies to his lawyer about the nature of his experiment [p. 163], is he motivated by fear or by what he believes is an inviolable ethical obligation to Justin?

8. When Justin exhibits violent tendencies at the age of seven, Davis dismisses it-"He's a kid. Kids get in trouble"-and declares with confidence "Genetics have nothing to do with it . . . If there's ever been a killer who had a killer for a son, it's because the child learned the behavior from his pop . . . Not because he scored the evil gene" [p. 97]. Why does his certainty gradually erode? Is it possible for Davis to be objective about the nature vs. nurture issue?

9. Guilfoile portrays Justin at various ages, charting both his extraordinary intelligence and his increasing tendency toward violence. How does this technique help to create an escalating sense of suspense? How does it set the groundwork for the ultimate confrontation between Justin and Davis [p. 203]? What does their conversation at this clandestine meeting reveal about each of them? Does the balance of power between them change?

10. Why does Guilfoile introduce the computer game Shadow World? Is it an effective plot device? How does it enhance the themes of the novel? How does it relate to the novel's title? What other interpretations of the title does the author suggest, either directly or indirectly?

11. Justin says, "We're not made up of our thoughts, you know, even though that's the only way most of us can approach the question of identity" [p. 211]. Do you think it is necessary, as Justin maintains, to separate the thinker from his thoughts? Does he offer a credible alternative theory about how humans develop a sense of individuality and self-identity? What role does this, along with his contention that there is no such thing as free will, play in his quest to expose Sam Coyne? How does it affect the decision he eventually makes about his own life?

12. At the conference sponsored by the California Association of Libertarian Scientists, Davis contrasts his approach to that of a colleague: "He suggests that just because we can clone human beings doesn't mean we should. I tell him he's answered the wrong question. If we can do something-to increase health, to increase happiness-doesn't that mean we must?" [p. 179]. Looking at this question in terms not only of cloning but other radical medical procedures, which viewpoint is closer to your own? What experiences, religious belief, or personal philosophy support your position?

13. Mickey and Davis are both driven men, ignoring the law and the rules of society to achieve their ends. In what ways are their motivations and their methods similar? Does the fact that Davis's quest is grounded in science and Mickey's in religious belief make an essential difference in the validity and/or morality of their actions?

14. For Davis, an agnostic, "cloning was never about playing God. It was about replicating God's work, following the blueprints of God's greatest achievement and creating life" [p. 139]. After bringing Justin into the world and watching him grow up, however, Davis is forced to confront the enormity of his actions: "Justin was not conceived in a lab or in the womb but in Davis's mind. He existed because Davis had wanted him to, and what kind of being does that describe if not a god?" [p. 240]. What are the implications of Davis's confusion, both in terms of the novel and in a wider sense?

15. Cast of Shadows ends with a surprising confession. Do you find this a satisfactory conclusion? What light does it shed on the philosophical and scientific "certainties" that inform discussions about the balance between genetics and environment in shaping character? What do you think is the ultimate message of the novel?

We're dating!

Hello all!

I am LOVING this book.  How about the rest of you?  There is going to be some incredible discussion I am sure.

How about July 13th for a meet date?  Post a comment and let me know if that works for you since Rob doesn't want his inbox cluttered :)

HAPPY READING!

Liz

I am such a bad blogger

Well folks, it has been 4 months since I posted.  Isn't that just pathetic??!!  Anyway, as per my email...thanks for coming.  The book for next month is Cast of Shadows.  Click on the link to the left and buy used thru amazon!!!!! 

The meeting will be sometime in the end of this month or in the beginning of July.  Hello!  Can you believe it's JUNE!!!!  Where does the time go.

I hope you all enjoy the book and let's welcome Rachel to the group!  She is going to make and AWESOME book clubber.

Rock on readers!

Your host and chief procrastinator,
Liz

Happy Valentines Day!

Happy Valentines Day gang.  Last year, Kevin, who has been an off and on member of the group, found this little gem in his work's mess of Valentine's day paraphernalia.  It is honestly what got me really motivated to start this club.  I thought it was a sign from my godless god.  We are coming up on the 1 year anniversary.  Can you believe it?  I just wanted to say thanks for being so great everyone. It really has been a great year of reading and discussing.  See you all in March!

Here's to Love.

 

Hocus Pocus Ala Kazam

The meeting for Running with Scissors went well.  We only had 5 people attend so the discussion was not as lively as it has been in the past but it was still very interesting.  After the meeting we picked next month's book.  We will be reading Hocus Pocus by Kurt Vonnegut.  I am really excited for this one because Vonnegut is my favorite author and I have yet to read this little gem. It's also really cheap on amazon.  I got it for under a dollar!  The meeting will be held in the end of February and we will decide on a date in the next couple of weeks.

Happy Reading!!

CANCELLED

Hey everyone,

Just to  let  you know, due to the weather, I am cancelling the meeting for tonight.  I am hoping to reschedule for next Wednesday.  Does that work for everyone?

Let me know.

Liz

Location

Hello all!

I wanted to post quickly about the location for Wednesday's meeting.  I was thinking about having it again at Empyrean, but every night that I walk by it is closed.  That worries me so I have decided to hold the meeting at Matt and Rob's place.  We met there for A Curious Incident and it worked out great.  I will bring some snacks and provide coffee.  If anyone wants to bring anything, please feel free.  Let's do the usual meet time of 8:00pm.  Luckily, there is plenty of parking in their neighborhood so people won't be pulling their hair out trying to find a spot!  I will be emailing their address around because I am sure they don't really want that posted on the internet.  Instead of posting discussion questions this month I have decided to enlist the help of the whole group.  For those of you attending the meeting, I was hoping that you could each bring your own discussion question.  I got a really interesting email from another Liz who runs a book club in Long Beach Island.  She said that she has scoured the internet for discussion questions on Running with Scissors and has come up empty handed.  I too have scoured and found nothing.  Her meeting for the book is on February 4th and she wants to provide her group with a framework for their meeting. I told her that our group would come up with questions and then pass them on to her group.  If no one can come up with anything, then I thought we could try to come up with the questions during the meeting.  Either way, I would like to have something to give to their group because  I thought it would be interesting to see how another group would react to our questions. 

Ok, well I will email the address and if anyone has any questions please feel free to email or call me.

HAPPY READING!

See you all Wednesday.

Let's Date

Hello all,

Ok, it seems that the 19th is going to work best for everyone that has posted a comment.  Let's plan on that date.  Normal time: 8:00pm.  Can everyone who is planning on attending just post a comment here so I can get a count of who will be there.  I will post the location and the questions closer to the meet date.

See you all then!!

Off to the old country

Well folks, today is the day. Jason and I are going to Italy. I figured I should update the site before I go so that everyone has an idea of the timeline for this month. Since December was so busy, everyone agreed to skip it for a meeting. I am thinking that we should meet for this month's book, RUNNING WITH SCISSORS, in the middle of January. How about Wednesday the 19th? If that doesn't work, what about the next Wednesday, the 26th. Post a comment as to which date would work best.

Happy Reading!

See you all in '05!!!!